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Koishi wrote:

Well, basically, yeah. I would rather get a few maps occasionally that “don’t fit” than have thousands of maps disqualified because they were mapped on the wrong client.

Regarding “pp maps”, Ive made the assumption team members dont want certain types of maps based off of denials I’ve seen in the map requests subforum. So to me the proposal reads like people are just giving up on what previously was a strongly held view, rather than clarify that view. And to me, this compromise position is a worse outcome than leaving things how they are.

scug wrote:

if people are sending modern maps to map requests then they're completely misunderstanding the point of this server. We shouldn't restrict everyone from sending actually cool maps because of a few people who just send blatant slop.

Digitalfear117 wrote:

And if the general consensus is that you think this would restrict cool maps from existing thats not the point. I am totally removing a proposal that proposal if the vibe is coming off that we don't want cool maps.

scug wrote:

I don't think the proposal would be too bad if there were some exceptions to it, like reuploads for maps that were actually made before 2016, and overall just a more clear line for what should and shouldn't be ranked. I know that you tried to do that with the cutoff but i don't really think this is a good idea. Maybe there could be a new forum post in map requests that explains more of what would and wouldn't be accepted? that way there might be less maps requested that are "too modern" and have more requests that are more acceptable?

BlakeBelladonna wrote:

What if instead of making BAT's do it, have another team created specifically for those who are interested in doing tests for maps that may or may not be broken on clients? Give a list of clients that may have issues, and or give them what checklist BAT's have to go through prior to making them rankable?

It sounds stupid, but also seems like a really good idea in practice. Don't allow just one person to make a decision, make multiple people look at the same map and review it.

BlakeBelladonna wrote:

I think part of the confusion here is that, in practice, it doesn’t feel like maps are being judged purely on era.

From what I’ve seen especially in Taiko is there are consistent patterns where maps that don’t align with certain preferred styles or mapping approaches tend to get denied, even if they would otherwise fit within the era being targeted. This feels very biased.

That’s why the cutoff proposal feels off to me. If the goal is truly to include “all of 2015, good and bad,” then it shouldn’t matter whether a map fits a particular interpretation of how mapping should look.

But if there are implicit standards around style or genre that affect decisions, then those should probably be clarified directly. Otherwise, it creates the impression that we’re applying subjective filters while also claiming to be objective.

I’m not arguing for or against PP maps specifically. I’m more concerned about consistency in how maps are evaluated.

blake try not to make everything about taiko challenge

Cloudpaw wrote:

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100000% support, I am so tired of random BATs joining just to do absolutely nothing for the server after ranking maybe one of their friends maps

Digitalfear117 wrote:

BlakeBelladonna wrote:

What if instead of making BAT's do it, have another team created specifically for those who are interested in doing tests for maps that may or may not be broken on clients? Give a list of clients that may have issues, and or give them what checklist BAT's have to go through prior to making them rankable?

It sounds stupid, but also seems like a really good idea in practice. Don't allow just one person to make a decision, make multiple people look at the same map and review it.

Kurboh had suggested this in the past, honestly the problem is just that no one really wants to do it. On every BAT application we have a checkbox where you can select the types of maps you want to look at, and basically no one EVER checks off map requests, because of the work it requires :sob:

Oposh wrote:

Oh yeah, that reminded me one meme that I made with modding one beatmap (when I was a BAT) that took me around 4 freakin hours at night to do it from the beginning to end along with prepared text, timestamps, explanations and screenshots for visual representation what I meant could or was needed to change, so I understand why no one wants to do it with checking map requests, because modding itself can be already a daunting task to do :sob: