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If You Didn't Care If It Gets Ranked Then Why Did You Stop It From Being Ranked
you can have this conversation in a more productive manner elsewhere

Cloudpaw wrote:

If You Didn't Care If It Gets Ranked Then Why Did You Stop It From Being Ranked
you can have this conversation in a more productive manner elsewhere

Discussion is currently being made in the BAT channel, however this map will not be ranked until we decide what we are doing going forward.

how about include everyone else who gives a fuck about maps on here since clearly not every active Titanic user who cares about this shit is a BAT

BATs / BNs are expected to be the ones to uphold the quality standards of what a ranked map is on their servers. Just as it as on Bancho, we do not allow the general player base to dictate what a ranked map should be. I also believe it's the job of the staff of the server to decide it's future. We are not Bancho, players can choose to leave if they do not like the direction we choose.

This system has been tried before for allowing generally players to pick maps for leaderboards (such as maps with 500 favorites being loved in 2016 on Bancho), but most of these systems created issues where maps of low quality were pushed into the ranking system.

In the past we held a vote asking if players wanted 2015 maps on Titanic, and the majority of players voted yes. I am hoping that the BAT team will become aligned with players on this. However players also want 2016 clients, defeating much of the purpose of a nostalgia, classic styled server. So we should not blindly follow players for what they want. Again we are trying to be a specific styled server, not Bancho.

even for ranking criteria or direction changes are publicly discussed on the forums for osu, there are no private circlejerk discussions deciding massive changes without EVERYONE involved in the system being informed

you can decide whatever the fuck you want, I just want to be involved in that discussion because it matters to me. this is ALSO how it works on Bancho, they include everyone in the discussion for massive system changes but decide it usually internally

Cloudpaw wrote:

even for ranking criteria or direction changes are publicly discussed on the forums for osu, there are no private circlejerk discussions deciding massive changes without EVERYONE involved in the system being informed

I understand your concerns about our proposed changes being completely hidden to all players. Please allow us to first write the points addressed in the vote we are proposing, before asking us to make everything public. This will not be resolved in a day, and we will present our intended changes before holding any vote. The vote will still be among BATs, and possibly other staff members.

We will write the draft, present the draft, allow discussions, then vote on the draft. Similar to recent proposal change votes on bancho, such as here https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1894663?n=1

Digitalfear117 wrote:

I do not care if this map gets ranked. I made the veto as my way to challenge the current system we have in place. Right now we pick and choose maps from later eras, but I believe this to be a flawed system due it's subjectivity. I am once again proposing we stop ranking maps after 2015, and simply add all 2015 maps, this way the maps match the clients in terms of last release.

seeing what bns are ranking (not only this map) feeling like it's personal preference in nomination. we have maps like:
kimi no kioku (freestyle consistency map from 2016)
look at me tenderly (another stream consistency map from 2014 but with a bit modern patterning as i feel from playing it)
rainbow dash (remap of approved rainbow dash that uses a bit modern patterning because it's… uhh… 2022 map? :thinking:)
happy end of the world oh yeah look at this pretty 2016 map that was mapped after 2015!
honestly, i would spend as many time as i can to search all questionable maps. but i will spend it on any hobby i like :) but yeah, think about it

look at me tenderly was remapped in 2025 as a modern map

cacaomallows wrote:

seeing what bns are ranking (not only this map) feeling like it's personal preference in nomination. we have maps like:
kimi no kioku (freestyle consistency map from 2016)
look at me tenderly (another stream consistency map from 2014 but with a bit modern patterning as i feel from playing it)
rainbow dash (remap of approved rainbow dash that uses a bit modern patterning because it's… uhh… 2022 map? :thinking:)
happy end of the world oh yeah look at this pretty 2016 map that was mapped after 2015!
honestly, i would spend as many time as i can to search all questionable maps. but i will spend it on any hobby i like :) but yeah, think about it

This is missing the point, BATs specifically wanted a system where they could pick and choose maps from later eras, but exclude farm maps. I vetoed because this map went against the system they voted for. As a BAT Manager it's part of my job to make sure that nominations meet our system agreements we vote for.